The game has a great artistic style. It looked promising at first glance but I was unable to play the game because of the jump mechanics. I could not enter the temple because the character could not jump to higher places. Additionally, the color of rocks at the entrance is indistinguishable from the background white color. Could you please add some colors to make the rocks stand out from the white background.
oookay so here's an issue for me. the climbing system doesn't work on my computer. i got stuck and couldn't get past the first tunnel because i couldn't climb the terrain unless it was tall enough for the character to do the reach over her head animation.
any ledge that was shorter than that and the whole thing failed to get the character anywhere. I only got as far as inside the tunnel by cheesing running jumps to get over the ledges...
Thanks for the report. This can happen if the framerate is low - the climbing system times out before reaching the top of the ledge. We're working on a fix. In the meantime, have you tried running the game at something lower than 1080p, or switching to low quality in the pause menu?
That's good to know, though the climbing system should work regardless of the framerate, so we're trying alternative approaches for setting the position to hopefully fix this.
Even with version 1.3 the issue remains. I still can't climb terrain. It just doesn't finish the climb and ends up making me fall back down.
Even when set to Low, which even if you have it set to Low at launch it for some reason kicks you back to High, the climbing system doesn't work. It times out with almost all of the climbable objects. Turning the tunnel into a great big wall you can't get through because the climbing system keeps kicking you back down.
I really enjoyed this, looks wonderful, had no real issues with the controls even though I was using my laptop track-pad instead of a mouse.
I came across one slightly frustrating bug, the second jump I made right at the beginning I got stuck, mid-air on the corner of the step. It's quite tricky to reproduce, but it would be a shame if someone got a bad early impression. I've attached an image of where it happened.
I would be happy to do some QA for future updates if you need anyone to give it a good bash, just send me a message on twitter or something. :)
Thanks! And on a trackpad, nice! Will check out that ledge, there are some places like that which are a bit funky yeah, gonna fix those for v1.1. I'll ping you on twitter when it's ready for testing then, thanks for offering!
I loved this, buddy! Please tell me you plan to let go of tomb raider, giving the whole thing your own narrative and twist and mechanics, and punch out a few more of these? :D
Thanks bud! I have some ideas cooking where I can definitely use these mechanics now that they've proven to be good and practical, would love to chat about them when you're back :)
So I was expecting classic Tomb Raider, but the jumping doesn't feel all that momentum based and doesn't quite nail the thrill of leaping large gaps. Not to say that it needs to be, but when the character auto grabs the ledge instead of wanting to jump off of it, there's a problem and this was a constant throughout. You could argue that it was the intent to go for Modern Tomb Raider, but the issue is those games don't really pride themselves on "jumping puzzles" as much unless you count "spot the white highlighted edge" as the same gameplay. Point is, level design feels like a classic tomb raider, jumping feels like an awkward modern raider, the two things don't mix well together.
The atmosphere doesn't really quite hit the mark either. The looping music really dulls the experience as opposed to implementing soundscapes and putting in musical ques for when you reach a new area or something significant happens. There's not much contrast other than the boulder scene inserting new music. It helps to rely more on ambiance and noise, and use music when necessary for an emotional change or discovery.
I also feel that getting to the series of ledges at the top of the first area to activate (the starting platform I think?) could have been more interesting to backtrack from. Instead you had to shimmy across the very ledges you climb up to. I really don't think wall climbing is that fun unless there's some kind of risk or thinking to it, instead they're just spammed along the wall to create filler and busy work. Not only that, but there's no way to jump down as a neat little shortcut, instead you pretty much die. Although by accident I managed to survive a fall near the secret green object (I assume that's optional). But I noticed a trend in a lot of games when they program ladders, it's always faster to go down them then it is to climb up, it's an interesting design philosophy that I think could have been used more here. When someone wants to go snow sledding, they wouldn't want going down hill to take the same time/effort as going uphill. That's kind of the logic I'm going for here.
Roll doesn't seem to do anything, and I got through the spinning blade section without really crouching. The timing puzzles before the boulder were pretty annoying. In old TR games they're usually timed in such a way that you'll get through them as long as you past the first one, but the obstacle usually isn't just the swinging blades but rather the crumbling floor or some other element that forces you to improvise while having to constantly run. Having to stop in-between each blade was pretty frustrating, and the timings were rather unforgiving. Again though, had a lot of issues jumping between the ledges in that section (where my character kept constantly grabbing it).
Overall there were a lot of movement glitches and odd behavior throughout. Kind of dulled the experience more. I thought the art-style and lighting was okay, but I've seen a lot of stuff like this before in unity. So I don't really have a glowing opinion on it. Sorry if this is all very negative but I'm pretty passionate about the old Tomb Raider games. And although I think the modern tomb raiders are fine, I do desperately want a return to old form. Mirror's Edge is the closest they got to that, but then the sequel went open world for no real good reason.
That's fair. You were looking for a faithful recreation of the original games, and I don't disagree that the game could be more challenging and polished, but that was out of the scope I decided on for a small gamejam project to do by myself on the weekends. And I like the modern games too, so it's a mix of both styles sometimes. If I end up making more levels I'd definitely look into improving the gameplay mechanics, but for now this is what it is, and I'm pleased with it.
You do make a good point about the auto-ledge-grab, it messes me up sometimes too, and it just occured to me I could add a toggle for that in the next update, for people who prefer a manual climbing experience. The ledges I planned on improving too as I was forced to move some of them around on the last day of dev, so they could use another QA pass. And I'm looking into the occasional movement glitches with the creator of the climbing system.
Thanks for playing and taking the time to write down your thoughts 👍
the game looks great, but you constantly get stuck and i couldn't get past a ledge in the first cave. no it's not because I'm terrable at the game, it's because the came puts you in a constant loop of climbing sometimes and straight up won't let you climb sometimes.
Step up is broken. The sound in the game would be nice to change the level of the master volume. Since thins is unity use a volume mixer and change the master volume with a slider and simple coding. Great game has simple but amazing graphics. This feels like the Invector 3rd person controller but the character has amazing movement and animations. Keep up the work mate.
enjoyed your game very much so but there is some bugs like some of the parts where you have to climb its very g;itchy and difficult to climb up or over and in some parts its very dark maybe a light upgrade apart from that the art style the game play yet very short the sound all that is great love the game...
love the game dude. awesome concept however there are a couple of bugs. one of them is when i keep getting stuck in the first part when i try to climb something and my character just keeps repeating the climbing animation and doesnt move. the second bug i detected was sometimes when i try to climb my character just jumps and doesnt actually climb or takes the climbing position but doesnt actually climb. love the game and all but please fix these bugs. ill stay tuned for further updates
Wow. Very impressed with how much you nailed the feel while improving the looks. Love classic Tomb Raider and this is just rad. Thank you for making this!
There is no built-in functionality for that, but you can use the free version of Fraps (which is what I use) and probably other game-focused screen capture software will work too.
Thanks for reporting. I've seen this happen before when the framerate is low - have you tried changing the resolution or switching to low quality in the pause menu? Does that help?
As a hardcore TR fan (OG) I'm been waiting for somebody to recreate the style/tone/feel of the original games forever since the new games do very little for me. Pew pew. I have to say, as a proof of concept, I'm sold. If you're interesting in pursuing this title you have my ticket. The visual style is pleasing, the climbing is fluid and great, and the level design was also rad. I tried maybe 4-5 times to replay the experience to collect the secrets but unfortuantly this led to a lot of issues. All I ask is, if you do create a longer experience, you avoid adding combat, or add it sparingly aka threat of danger, not main loop :) Thanks so much for creating this. Now to try and see if there are any secrets I can get ^^
Spoilers: In case you're unaware, the gem to the right of the opening hidden beneath the ledge was - at least for me- unaccessiable. Droping from the top led to death because she wouldnt grasp the edge, and jumping in from the side ledge led to her grabing onto an invisible collider of some sort which I could not drop from or climb off. Additionally, the crouch key being held (gamepad) makes camera movement very difficult. I would suggest moving it or making it a toggle.
Thank you so much! That feeling of calm isolated exploration was central to my idea, definitely. It's also why I didn't want to add any dialogue or too much narrative to distract from the player's exploration. I'm glad you feel I succeeded in that regard.
If you're going back to hunt for secrets, I'd wait until v1.1 due soon, I'll add more of them then ;) as well as fix the crouch button and the janky ledges, thanks for reporting!
Looking forward to it! The calm isolation is what made exploring such a unique experience in OGTR so I applaud your design goals. Btw, I did manage to get the secret I was referencing, by pushing back/jump instead of side/jump from the ledge, which helped jump past the invisible collision, so desire satiated heh. Would love some old school sound effects when the secrets are found, if you're game ^^ Oh also, a reload checkpoint option in the menu would be helpful, because I got stuck in floating animation loops and behind some geometry meaning I had to quit and start a new game.
This is one of the best looking games I have seen here on Itchio in a while! The temple puzzle designs are great and I enjoyed the low poly effect on the main character. I do hope that you are able to expand on this game into the future because I can definitely see potential! Thanks for the game Hedgefield!
Congrats, the character controller of the main character moves very good. like i see it now you only need a good textured models. But you are in your way. :)
You did a really good job there DEV. Nice little adventure, great graphics. A few good puzzles and the main character's movements almost match the blockbusters character.
If you read this then just download Minimal Raider and play it.
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The game has a great artistic style. It looked promising at first glance but I was unable to play the game because of the jump mechanics. I could not enter the temple because the character could not jump to higher places. Additionally, the color of rocks at the entrance is indistinguishable from the background white color. Could you please add some colors to make the rocks stand out from the white background.
Thanks for the feedback, I uploaded a new build that hopefully fixes it for you!
I felt so nostalgic playing this. As someone who grew up playing Tomb Raider Im very happy with what you have created! Thank you for making this!!
Lovely to hear, thanks for playing!
Very very nice work , lighting , level design , mechanics , everything is successful , I had a great time in minimal raider
This was a great homage to Tomb Raider and it definitely played like it. Awesome job! Keep it up!
Thanks, awesome video!
Amazing environment.
This game was loads of fun! It's so cool that an Indie game looks so much better than the first games it's based upon (meaning the old TR games).
I wish there were more so that I could play more! If this were to become a series that would be amazing!
There were some wonks and tonks in the physics but it didn't ruin the fun.
Great job! :)
Awesome, glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the video!
It was a pretty good game! I made a video on it!
Cool thanks!
So it needs ALOT of work but I would play a full game. Also I found like six speedrunner techniques
oookay so here's an issue for me.
the climbing system doesn't work on my computer. i got stuck and couldn't get past the first tunnel because i couldn't climb the terrain unless it was tall enough for the character to do the reach over her head animation.
any ledge that was shorter than that and the whole thing failed to get the character anywhere. I only got as far as inside the tunnel by cheesing running jumps to get over the ledges...
i use a mac laptop by the way.
Thanks for the report. This can happen if the framerate is low - the climbing system times out before reaching the top of the ledge. We're working on a fix. In the meantime, have you tried running the game at something lower than 1080p, or switching to low quality in the pause menu?
i have, and it hasn't seemed to help much at all. though in all fairness my computer is fairly old so this sort of things unfortunately happens a lot.
That's good to know, though the climbing system should work regardless of the framerate, so we're trying alternative approaches for setting the position to hopefully fix this.
thank you very much! i look forward to trying your future versions! ^_^
Even with version 1.3 the issue remains. I still can't climb terrain. It just doesn't finish the climb and ends up making me fall back down.
Even when set to Low, which even if you have it set to Low at launch it for some reason kicks you back to High, the climbing system doesn't work. It times out with almost all of the climbable objects. Turning the tunnel into a great big wall you can't get through because the climbing system keeps kicking you back down.
Dang that sucks, I thought I had found the solution in 1.1. I'll try to find out if this was a regression or whether there is another cause.
Awesome, thanks!
Thanks, glad you liked it! And thanks for the video. I'll think about making more levels :)
I really enjoyed this, looks wonderful, had no real issues with the controls even though I was using my laptop track-pad instead of a mouse.
I came across one slightly frustrating bug, the second jump I made right at the beginning I got stuck, mid-air on the corner of the step. It's quite tricky to reproduce, but it would be a shame if someone got a bad early impression. I've attached an image of where it happened.
I would be happy to do some QA for future updates if you need anyone to give it a good bash, just send me a message on twitter or something. :)
Thanks! And on a trackpad, nice! Will check out that ledge, there are some places like that which are a bit funky yeah, gonna fix those for v1.1. I'll ping you on twitter when it's ready for testing then, thanks for offering!
My pleasure! :)
Really liked this, it was good fun, really reminiscent of the old Tomb Raider games :D
Thanks, glad to hear it!
If you go in the car at the beginning the game ends
Yeah, spotted that one too 😂Will be fixed in v1.1.
I loved this, buddy! Please tell me you plan to let go of tomb raider, giving the whole thing your own narrative and twist and mechanics, and punch out a few more of these? :D
Thanks bud! I have some ideas cooking where I can definitely use these mechanics now that they've proven to be good and practical, would love to chat about them when you're back :)
yes! let's chat when I'm back in march
Brace for something a little harsh:
So I was expecting classic Tomb Raider, but the jumping doesn't feel all that momentum based and doesn't quite nail the thrill of leaping large gaps. Not to say that it needs to be, but when the character auto grabs the ledge instead of wanting to jump off of it, there's a problem and this was a constant throughout. You could argue that it was the intent to go for Modern Tomb Raider, but the issue is those games don't really pride themselves on "jumping puzzles" as much unless you count "spot the white highlighted edge" as the same gameplay. Point is, level design feels like a classic tomb raider, jumping feels like an awkward modern raider, the two things don't mix well together.
The atmosphere doesn't really quite hit the mark either. The looping music really dulls the experience as opposed to implementing soundscapes and putting in musical ques for when you reach a new area or something significant happens. There's not much contrast other than the boulder scene inserting new music. It helps to rely more on ambiance and noise, and use music when necessary for an emotional change or discovery.
I also feel that getting to the series of ledges at the top of the first area to activate (the starting platform I think?) could have been more interesting to backtrack from. Instead you had to shimmy across the very ledges you climb up to. I really don't think wall climbing is that fun unless there's some kind of risk or thinking to it, instead they're just spammed along the wall to create filler and busy work. Not only that, but there's no way to jump down as a neat little shortcut, instead you pretty much die. Although by accident I managed to survive a fall near the secret green object (I assume that's optional). But I noticed a trend in a lot of games when they program ladders, it's always faster to go down them then it is to climb up, it's an interesting design philosophy that I think could have been used more here. When someone wants to go snow sledding, they wouldn't want going down hill to take the same time/effort as going uphill. That's kind of the logic I'm going for here.
Roll doesn't seem to do anything, and I got through the spinning blade section without really crouching. The timing puzzles before the boulder were pretty annoying. In old TR games they're usually timed in such a way that you'll get through them as long as you past the first one, but the obstacle usually isn't just the swinging blades but rather the crumbling floor or some other element that forces you to improvise while having to constantly run. Having to stop in-between each blade was pretty frustrating, and the timings were rather unforgiving. Again though, had a lot of issues jumping between the ledges in that section (where my character kept constantly grabbing it).
Overall there were a lot of movement glitches and odd behavior throughout. Kind of dulled the experience more. I thought the art-style and lighting was okay, but I've seen a lot of stuff like this before in unity. So I don't really have a glowing opinion on it. Sorry if this is all very negative but I'm pretty passionate about the old Tomb Raider games. And although I think the modern tomb raiders are fine, I do desperately want a return to old form. Mirror's Edge is the closest they got to that, but then the sequel went open world for no real good reason.
That's fair. You were looking for a faithful recreation of the original games, and I don't disagree that the game could be more challenging and polished, but that was out of the scope I decided on for a small gamejam project to do by myself on the weekends. And I like the modern games too, so it's a mix of both styles sometimes. If I end up making more levels I'd definitely look into improving the gameplay mechanics, but for now this is what it is, and I'm pleased with it.
You do make a good point about the auto-ledge-grab, it messes me up sometimes too, and it just occured to me I could add a toggle for that in the next update, for people who prefer a manual climbing experience. The ledges I planned on improving too as I was forced to move some of them around on the last day of dev, so they could use another QA pass. And I'm looking into the occasional movement glitches with the creator of the climbing system.
Thanks for playing and taking the time to write down your thoughts 👍
the game looks great, but you constantly get stuck and i couldn't get past a ledge in the first cave. no it's not because I'm terrable at the game, it's because the came puts you in a constant loop of climbing sometimes and straight up won't let you climb sometimes.
Thanks for reporting, it's a known bug with low framerates that we intend to fix in a future update.
This should be fixed now in v1.4!
Love the looks of it! Suggestion: configurable controls or at least arrow keys support :)
Will look into that for the next update!
:) !
Step up is broken. The sound in the game would be nice to change the level of the master volume. Since thins is unity use a volume mixer and change the master volume with a slider and simple coding. Great game has simple but amazing graphics. This feels like the Invector 3rd person controller but the character has amazing movement and animations. Keep up the work mate.
enjoyed your game very much so but there is some bugs like some of the parts where you have to climb its very g;itchy and difficult to climb up or over and in some parts its very dark maybe a light upgrade apart from that the art style the game play yet very short the sound all that is great love the game...
love the game dude. awesome concept however there are a couple of bugs. one of them is when i keep getting stuck in the first part when i try to climb something and my character just keeps repeating the climbing animation and doesnt move. the second bug i detected was sometimes when i try to climb my character just jumps and doesnt actually climb or takes the climbing position but doesnt actually climb. love the game and all but please fix these bugs. ill stay tuned for further updates
Thanks for playing! There is indeed a bug with the climbing in certain framerates, looking into it.
Made a video
Thanks!
I was able to identify some bugs and did a basic speed run, hehehe
Those are good catches! Weird edge cases for the collision detection on the climbing system probably, but I'll see if I can fix some of this in v1.1 👍
Wow. Very impressed with how much you nailed the feel while improving the looks. Love classic Tomb Raider and this is just rad. Thank you for making this!
Thanks, that means a lot!
Very interesting game, enjoyed playing it.
Glad to hear it!
I'm a huge Tomb Raider fan, so I'll be downloading and trying this game out - I can't wait to play it :)
just quick question. is there any method of taking scream shots in your game .cos my meathead is quit unconventional!
There is no built-in functionality for that, but you can use the free version of Fraps (which is what I use) and probably other game-focused screen capture software will work too.
thanks :)
love the game hope to see more thanks for the wonderful game!
And you thanks for the video and for playing!
The game is very interesting, however due to some bugs and the character simply being stopped in different parts, made me discouraged from completing.
I would like to see game updates.
A hug and great work.
Thanks Fred, let me know what you had trouble with via hello@timhengeveld.com and I'll try to fix them in the next update.
I will play and record to try to replicate the errors and send you, so it is better to correct.
Thanks a lot man! I really enjoyed the video too, so great to see how much you enjoyed playing it. I'll definitely think about making more levels!
Climbing over low obstacles seems to be broken. the animation plays but i don't actually get over the obstacle.
Rolling doesn't seem like a better way to get past obstacles than just running.
Thanks for reporting. I've seen this happen before when the framerate is low - have you tried changing the resolution or switching to low quality in the pause menu? Does that help?
As a hardcore TR fan (OG) I'm been waiting for somebody to recreate the style/tone/feel of the original games forever since the new games do very little for me. Pew pew. I have to say, as a proof of concept, I'm sold. If you're interesting in pursuing this title you have my ticket. The visual style is pleasing, the climbing is fluid and great, and the level design was also rad. I tried maybe 4-5 times to replay the experience to collect the secrets but unfortuantly this led to a lot of issues. All I ask is, if you do create a longer experience, you avoid adding combat, or add it sparingly aka threat of danger, not main loop :) Thanks so much for creating this. Now to try and see if there are any secrets I can get ^^
Spoilers: In case you're unaware, the gem to the right of the opening hidden beneath the ledge was - at least for me- unaccessiable. Droping from the top led to death because she wouldnt grasp the edge, and jumping in from the side ledge led to her grabing onto an invisible collider of some sort which I could not drop from or climb off.
Additionally, the crouch key being held (gamepad) makes camera movement very difficult. I would suggest moving it or making it a toggle.
Thank you so much! That feeling of calm isolated exploration was central to my idea, definitely. It's also why I didn't want to add any dialogue or too much narrative to distract from the player's exploration. I'm glad you feel I succeeded in that regard.
If you're going back to hunt for secrets, I'd wait until v1.1 due soon, I'll add more of them then ;) as well as fix the crouch button and the janky ledges, thanks for reporting!
Looking forward to it! The calm isolation is what made exploring such a unique experience in OGTR so I applaud your design goals. Btw, I did manage to get the secret I was referencing, by pushing back/jump instead of side/jump from the ledge, which helped jump past the invisible collision, so desire satiated heh. Would love some old school sound effects when the secrets are found, if you're game ^^ Oh also, a reload checkpoint option in the menu would be helpful, because I got stuck in floating animation loops and behind some geometry meaning I had to quit and start a new game.
Haha, good job! Oh and yes good point - there is actually a forced respawn button (rightshift+R) but I forgot to write it down (:
This is one of the best looking games I have seen here on Itchio in a while! The temple puzzle designs are great and I enjoyed the low poly effect on the main character. I do hope that you are able to expand on this game into the future because I can definitely see potential! Thanks for the game Hedgefield!
Thanks! Glad you liked it, and great job on the video!
Congrats, the character controller of the main character moves very good. like i see it now you only need a good textured models. But you are in your way. :)
hi im new to itch.io
Welcome!
hi lm new
I liked how she's better equipped (for exploration) than Lara in the old days. Any plans for a Minimal Raider 2 with some gun-fighting too? ;)
Thanks! I might do another level for this in the future in a different setting, and I'd love to get in some gunplay then too, so maybe :)
You did a really good job there DEV. Nice little adventure, great graphics. A few good puzzles and the main character's movements almost match the blockbusters character.
If you read this then just download Minimal Raider and play it.
Well done.
Great video, thanks for playing!